Why do the 12r Shia Care About The Causalities of Jamal ?

The 12rs claim they disassociate from Bibi Ayesha (ra) since her actions during Imam Ali’s (as) caliphate resulted to high number of Muslim casualties.

From my understanding of the 12r Shia theology, it is not battle of Jamal or her rejection of Shura that got Imam Ali (as) in power which causes the 12rs to make an initial tabarra against her. However, it is her rejection of Waliyah, which is main reason 12rs hate and curse her.
Bibi Ayesha (ra) actions during Imam Ali's (as) calipahate are presented by the 12rs for purpose of dawah. These events actually compliment their creed instead of proving Imam Ali’s (as) waliyah.

For example a 12r says the wahabis call us kaffir. Now a Sunni might ask don't the 12r shia do the same ?
Instead of answering that question, the 12r Shia say we refer to Sunnis as Muslims. What they hide from Sunnis is this term Muslim they are using in its context has no links to momins. In fact, the term Muslim aimed at Sunni Islam by the 12rs is indirectly linked with the term monafiq or hypocrite.
If we refer to the Quran, the hypocrites are actually considered worst than the Kuffar.
Anyway the 12rs go into historical events to try to justify their hatred toward the Sahaba. By just claiming those who reject the Waliyah of Ali are apostates, does not give them the ability to use an emotional card to antagonize their opponents. On the contrary, historical events is best emotional card is play against the Sunni who opposes the 12r and has no clue that such and such event occurred. In the end the Sunni is left at a confused state. At that state the Sunni challenger is helpless to defend Bibi Ayesha (ra).

Anyway, the main reason I started this topic is to ask 12rs why they really care about the causalities of Jamal. In the end, the number casualties which occurred only resulted in Sunni lives only. The reason for this is the majority of supporters of Imam Ali (as) were Sunni in reality.
According to the 12r Shia own sources the majority of accepted Imam Ali’s (as) caliphate accepted him as the 4th Calipah instead of the first. In Najh Al Balagha Sermon 97 the commentary of the sermon suggests that “the majority regarded him a ruler like the other Caliphs, and as regards precedence, on the fourth position, or at the level of the common men after the three caliphs.” (Nahj al-Balaghah Commentry Sermon 97)
Once again the causalities suffered in Jamal are those who were Sunnis. There is ahadith about Hz Ammar bin Yassir (as) being killed by rebellious group.

Sahih al-Bukhari - Volume 4, Book 52, Number 67
Narrated 'Ikrima: That Ibn 'Abbas told him and 'Ali bin 'Abdullah to go to Abu Said and listen to some of his narrations; So they both went (and saw) Abu Said and his brother irrigating a garden belonging to them. When he saw them, he came up to them and sat down with his legs drawn up and wrapped in his garment and said, "(During the construction of the mosque of the Prophet) we carried the adobe of the mosque, one brick at a time while 'Ammar used to carry two at a time. The Prophet passed by 'Ammar and removed the dust off his head and said, "May Allah be merciful to 'Ammar. He will be killed by a rebellious aggressive group. 'Ammar will invite them to (obey) Allah and they will invite him to the (Hell) fire."

Sahih Muslim - Book 41, Number 6968 - 6970
Umm Salama reported that Allah's Messenger (s) said to 'Ammar: A group of rebels would kill you.

However, once again the Shia sahabis such as Ammar ibn Yassir (ra) did not as kuffar.
Now if we look further into the 12r Shia theology they consider Sunnis calipahs to be same category of Muawiyah and Yazid.

Here is a 12r Shia Scholar who teach the 12r Dawah methods.




Also, they play the unity card with Sunnis, yet within the so called unity the 12r have their agenda to get rid of Sunni Islam.



Therefore, in the end the casualties killed in Jamal, were Yazidis from the 12r Shia prespective. It is not matter if they had side with Imam Ali (as) or not. The reason for that is the majority of the supporters of who rallied behind Imam Ali (as) accepted him as the 4th calipah instead of the first.

Did Monafiqeen Exist in the Meccan Period of Islam ?

The 12rs say the sahaba became apostates after the demise of the Prophet :[S.A.W.W]:

However, my question to the 12rs is can you prove that the muhajireen among the sahaba who you consider as apostates or non-momin were non-Momin /borderline Muslims or monafiqeen during the Meccan period of Islam ?

As far as I know the term monafiqeen did not exist till migration to Madina took place.

So far I have ironically only seen the 12rs use Qiyas to justify their aqeeda, and their disassociation from the non-shias among the sahaba.

Dua From Imam Hassan Al Askari (as)

This is the supplication of Imam al-Hasan al-Askari (alaihi salam) which must be read thrice every morning for protection. This dua was initially posted by brother Syed Ahmad Amiruddin.

Mullah Majalisi's View on Blacks in the Aqira.

Here is a strange ahadith in Bihar al Anwar which in directly attacks black people.

It is a well-known fact that the Prophet had an admirable sense of humour - although even in witticism, he never spoke but truth. Once an old lady of Medina asked him to pray to Allah to give her a place in the Paradise. The Prophet said, "Old women would not enter the Paradise." She went out crying. Bilal saw her and asked her why she was crying. She narrated the whole episode. Bilal came with the lady to the Prophet, and said, "This woman is narrating such and such from you?" The Prophet said, "Even black men would not enter the Paradise." Now Bilal too started crying. Then 'Abbas, the uncle of the Prophet reached there and learning of the episode, tried to intercede with the Prophet, who told him that even old men would not enter the Paradise. When he too joined the crying group, the Prophet told them to be cheerful because Allah would create them young and with bright faces and then they would go into Paradise

al-Majlisi, Hayatu'l Qulub, pp. 129-130; Bihar, vol. 16, p. 295.
http://www.al-islam.org/slavery/4.htm

I'm guessing Mullah Majalisi forgot about Imam Musa al Kazim (as) when he added this ahadith in his ahadith collection.





From the above video, it is clear that the light of haqq (truth) is not blocked due to ones complexion.

Shia Scholar Warns Not To Curse \ Make Dua Against The Sahaba

This lecture was recorded by in Pakistan in early 80s. This was the annual Sham-e-Ghariba from PTV. The Scholar from his views is a Tafzili Shia, and his name is Sayyid Naseer-ud-Deen sahab. After listening to this clip some 12rs might say that Sahaba are only those who reject the 3 calipahs, and accept Imam Ali (as) as the first calipah. However, to prove such narrow minded and taqiyyah abusing 12rs Shia wrong, I have added the clip where he praised Umar (ra) in the end.

Shia Scholar Praises Umar (ra) & Adds (ra) After His Name

This lecture was recorded by in Pakistan in early 80s. This was the annual Sham-e-Ghariba from PTV. The Scholar from his views is a Tafzili Shia, and his name is Sayyid Naseer-ud-Deen sahab.

Why do some 12r Shia have to Pretend They are Sunnis When They Debate ? Taqiyah ?

A lot of times I come across some 12rs who want to debate, and while debating they claim they are Sunnis. While claiming they are Sunnis they insult the Sahaba indirectly, and still say they are Sunnis. Today I was watching some clips on youtube, and I discovered that they have some stories and narrations in their books which encourage this degraded behavior.





Okay, fine Bibi Fatima (as) was correct, but Abi Bakr (ra) was wrong. However, why did the Shia shaykh lie in the first place that he was a Sunni ? From his deception the Sunni also discredited his views.




The Shia Mufti gives a narration where the Imam's sons said his older brother is shia, but he was Sunni so he can convert Abu Hanifa(ra) ? This is just ridiculous. Of course if Imam Ali (as) couldn't even protect his wife in the 12r Shia beliefs, how can I expect them to straight forward.